Humanistic Torah Podcast – Episode 3
Hosted by James M. Branum
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In this episode:
1. Reflections from The Interfaith Alliance of Oklahoma Annual Dinner
2. Podcast Roundup, discussing recent episodes of Judaism Unbound and the Called to be Bad podcasts.
3. Some practical ideas on how listeners can take small steps to end the war in Gaza.
4. A D’var Torah message, looking at Deuteronomy 31 and the Tao Te Ching, Chapter 78.
Important links/resources for this episode:
- The Interfaith Alliance of Oklahoma
- Judaism Unbound podcast episode #500
- Judaism Unbound podcast episode #502
- Called to be Bad podcast, season 4, episode 4
- Called to be Bad podcast, season 3, episode 19
MACHINE-GENERATED TRANSCRIPT (may contain errors):
This is the humanistic Torah podcast and radio show episode number three. This is your host, James M Branum, so excited to have you here. And just reminder that if you’re unfamiliar with our podcast, want to learn more about the project, including not only our podcast and which will hopefully soon be a radio show, but also some of our other educational offerings, resources. Just go to our website, humanistic torah.org So in this episode, I want to give you a little preview of what’s to come and so our upcoming segments. The first segment will be discussing Oklahoma City’s Interfaith Alliance banquet, a really power annual dinner, really powerful experience. We’ll share a little bit about that and some of the things I heard last night at the event in our second segment. I’ll then be doing a podcast roundup and be discussing and giving a little bit of commentary on a few of my favorite podcasts from both the Jewish world and also the interfaith religious world. And I have some good ones to share this week. After that, we’ll be looking at our orientation towards Shalom that we have throughout this podcast, our desire to work for peace every way possible. So we’ll be giving some practical ideas on ways that anybody can do right now to support a cease fire in Gaza. And so we’re having some some very practical ideas, some small things that anybody can do to help support the cause for peace. And finally, we’ll be closing today with a little bit of DEVAR Torah. Now for this dev our Torah, though, I’m going to be looking at both the text for that’s that’s for today, for that’s for this weekend for the shabbatshuva in Book of Deuteronomy. But I’ll also be looking at the Tao Te Ching specifically chapter 78 which has been very meaningful to me this Rosh Hashanah season. And I’ll share more about that when we get to it.
So last night, I had the great honor to get to attend the Interfaith Alliance of Oklahoma’s annual dinner. Really a powerful event. Was so glad I went, and I’m kicking myself I haven’t gone in the past. The reason was the tickets are a little bit on the pricey side for at least for Oklahoma standards, but it didn’t matter. This is for a very good cause. I should have gone previously, but this year, I really wanted to go because my son was going to volunteer. He’s a religious studies major at Oklahoma City University, and so he has to do service hours. And so since he was going to be there anyway, my wife and I was like, Yeah, we want to go to the banquet. And we’re so glad we did, because it was so so good. There’s a lot I could mention about the program, but a lot of what I found most meaningful was actually what happened before and after the program, and that was the fellowship, the conversations I got to have with so many committed community activists. People have been working for peace and social justice for many years, and hearing from them and getting to see some old friends was really sweet. But I was also touched by the amount of interfaith camaraderie and mixing that was happening. I think one of my favorite moments of all was when, when we first stopped there pretty quickly after that, one of the our local Imam, Imam Imam Chelsea, really an amazing human being. He was already there. Got to greet him, but at but later, Rabbi Juan med here came in. And Rabbi Juan Mejia is the director, I believe, of education at Emanuel synagogue here in Oklahoma City, but also is well known for being an advocate for Jewish conversion, particularly in Latin America. And by the way, if you by the way, if you’ve ever listened to the Jewish Judaism unbound podcast, he was a past guest early on in their first year so, and he has, he has taught, I got to have him for a class with young Yeshiva. So I just, I think a lot of Rabbi Juan med here. Anyway, when one saw Aman and Joshi, they, both lit up the biggest smiles, and then they embraced. And it was very clear to me that this was not a performative thing. It wasn’t anything like that. It was two friends who were reconnecting. And I know these two people pretty well, and I know they don’t always agree on all issues related to the details of a lot of issues. They have different perspectives, but they’re friends, and these are people that because they’re friends, because they stay in conversation with each other, some really good things happen because of that. And that, to me, was the take home message as a whole for the Interfaith Alliance dinner was we all need to be in conversation with each other, and also, if we can approach learning about our neighbors religious traditions with curiosity and kindness. Boy, it goes a long ways as far as the programming itself. It was really good. We heard a few musical pieces so. Um. One of them was done by a Latter Day Saints, young man, beautiful voice. We had. There is a guitar player that she played with him and also with another singer later. But then there was another musical presentation that was done by two people from our local Sikh temple. And it was so powerful I have it’s hard to even explain the music. I later got to talk to the musicians and get to see their instruments. One of them was this thing called a harmonium, which is, in some ways, reminds me of an accordion, but is yet kind of different. It’s hard to even explain the sound of it, but it just was so powerful and a really haunting, powerful sound. So and getting to visit them a little bit more about their tradition, and especially how music functions in the Sikh tradition, in their liturgy, I just, it was super, super interesting. So anyway, I just, I want, just wanted to talk about this for a moment, to share just the joy of this, this event, and knowing it’s been going on for, I think, over 30 years, is just an amazing thing. And one bit of good news in places like Oklahoma, since it’s easy to assume in our very conservative place that the evangelical Christian hegemony controls everything and that minority traditions really don’t have a voice. Well, that is not true in Oklahoma City, and I think if you dig deeper into other cities, you’d find the same thing. Everywhere there are beautiful, vibrant, minority religious traditions that are offering different ways of seeing the world and all of us, no matter what our perspective is, no matter if we have privilege or not, we can all gain power from learning from each other. And so I just wanted to share this experience and encourage you. If you’ve never had the chance to participate in something like this, I highly recommend it. It’s I didn’t know. For me, I came away feeling this deep sense of unity and also hope that if people keep talking with each other, if we keep having these deep conversations, very good Things can happen.
Okay, next for our podcast Roundup, in a segment where I’ll be discussing some recent episodes of some of my favorite podcasts and getting a little bit of commentary and thoughts on them, and we’ll be looking at a couple of podcasts for this week, and that is, first of all, I’ll be talking about two episodes of my favorite podcast in the world, and I bet long listeners who’ve heard me previously already know what podcast it’s going to be. It is Judaism Unbound, yes, episode number 500 was happened two weeks ago, and it was amazing. It was, of course, this milestone moment for this podcast, 500 hours, most of these programs being about an hour in length. And when you think about that, if you think about that, you do the math, 500 is more or less 500 hours of programming. Some episodes are a little shorter than an hour, but they also bonus episode. So we’re going to say 500 hours of programming. If you divide that by 24 hours, it’s 20.8 days. In other words, you could turn on Judaism and bound episode number one, and it would take you three weeks of listening, non stop, not sleeping at all, to make it through the whole thing. Now let’s also just for fun, let’s instead say you only listen to eight hours a day of Judaism and bound. How many? How long? So 500 Sorry, I’m having too much fun with this. So 500 hours divided by eight, it would take you 62 days of listening, two months of listening, eight hours a day to listen to all of the past Judaism and bound episodes. Isn’t that amazing anyway, though. So it was really cool hearing uh, Dan and Lex and and I believe, I think Miriam also was on that episode, uh, reflecting back on this history and of of so much that’s happened up to this point. And I think about all the people they had on as guests, just incredible people. But what I really appreciated at this particular episode was we got to look behind the curtain. We got to hear about how the podcast came to be in the first place, and especially how Dan and Lex started working together. And I have to say, I was really appreciated Lex is audacity in the first place of saying, Hey, I don’t know what we’re gonna be doing, but I want to work with you. What an opening and then what that led to, I don’t know. I just I like that a lot. I also liked hearing from Dan and Lex both about how they worked through differences, how that they were not always on the same page on all issues that have been explored in the. Podcast, and yet, how they’ve made it work. And I really like that a lot. I also like to hearing more about how this project has unfolded over time, how it initially was going to be a book, but instead became a podcast and then later became other things. You started having the holiday offerings. You started having the Shavuot stuff. You started having so many things. And eventually you had the Unyeshiva, the School of Jewish learning and unlearning. And throughout all of this, you’ve seen this continual evolution of programming around unbound Judaism and all the power and intensity that comes from that, and so I really appreciated it from anyway, raising for me as someone whose life has been deeply touched by this podcast, getting to listen to 500 was cool. However, I thought that’s all I’ll be talking about this morning. I mean, today for this episode, about 500 but no, they dropped a new episode, 502 this morning. Whoa. I have to say I didn’t so I just know the word for it, because guess who they had is their their guest for today, Rabbi Angela Buchdahl from Central freaking synagogue.
Bam! I don’t… I’m just thrilled by this. Now I’ll tell you the reason why I’m so thrilled about this central synagogue, and particularly Rabbi Angela Buchdahl, played a big role in my family’s journey towards Judaism. We talked about I talked about this more in Episode Number one, if you want to hear it again, but I’ll give you a quick little version and then talk a little more about the central stuff right now, my family’s first entry point into Judaism was through Jewish holiday practice at home for again. Talked about that in episode one. I won’t repeat it, but we were drawn to the Jewish holidays, to Shabbat as a home thing. For us, we weren’t yet Jewish, but we were doing more and more Jewish stuff all the time, and at first we wanted to keep it as a little home thing, but eventually we really had the nudge to want to connect to Jewish community, but we were nervous. In hindsight, I think, I think unnecessarily nervous. I wished we had reached out to our local reform temple singer, because once we did, it was, had been a very gracious welcome, but that we weren’t ready for that yet. So instead, we started engaging with online Jewish programming, including Congregation Beth Dom, famous online community that a humanistic Jewish community that we that we found be meaningful. We also watched a lot of services from one Shoal, which used to be run, ran by punk Torah. That’s the organization that Rabbi Patrick Aleph is involved with. We like their services. But then we started listening watching central synagogue. And central synagogue was cool because one is they, their music is so, so good. But also the dev our Torah, given by Rabbi Angela Buchdahl was just phenomenal. And it really it gave us such a grounding of Jewish experience engagement, so that by the time we actually did come start, start participating in a local reform temple, and eventually became members there. But the time we first visited, we knew quite a bit of the liturgy. I mean, in transliteration, of course, but we knew it because we had been following along with Central on TV for significant amount of time before we ever came to an in person service. Central synagogue services, they made it so easy for us to connect. And it was also in the midst of a busy, busy week when you’re worn out and tired, turning on a central service was on Friday night was it was good for the soul, and it really helped us at a key point in our lives. And so to get to hear her speaking with Dan and Lex, I mean, to me, that felt like an like an alignment of planets and astronomy and Eclipse, because in many ways, I think about Rabbi Angela buchdahl, in many ways, representing the best parts of a major Jewish synagogue of Jewish institutional life. And I gripe a lot about Jewish institutions pretty often, and I will be more in the future. That’s part of what this podcast is about. In the same time, there’s also some really powerful things that come from these institutions sometimes, and part of it is specifically her and her congregation. What they’re doing was, anyway, I just was to get to get to hear her in conversation with Dan and Lex, who are, in my opinion, the other side of it, the the Mavericks, the
the those who are really pushing Judaism to its farthest extents. And yet, both of these perspectives of I didn’t know hearing them in conversation was really meaningful. I also was really touched by a few little details along the way. One was hearing how huge the Jewish conversion program is at Central synagogue. They have 300 people enrolled in any given time. That is incredible. Did not know that. I also. Is touched to hear more about their evolving understanding of what online community engagement means. And so anyway, I highly recommend this episode as well. Strongly recommend it and again, just such a delight to hear this episode. One other thing I’ll mention, if you ever get to go to New York City, strongly recommend visiting in person at Central synagogue, my family and I did this last year in August. Yeah, year, year ago, I guess now, like 13 months ago, we visited for my son’s 18th birthday, my wife’s 50th birthday. To celebrate, we took a big family vacation, and one of our stops was New York City. And of course, since we were there on Friday night, we had to go to the surface, and it was awesome. It was so cool, I hardly even explain what an electric experience it was. But especially what was cool was When Angela came and talked to us. I don’t know I’m I know I’m sounding like a total fan boy geeking out here, but it was cool. So anyway, very excited about episode 502,
now the other podcast I want to talk about is not a Jewish podcast, but I think it is one that many people would find compelling. It is the called to be bad podcast by Mariah Martin, who is a very progressive Mennonite pastor. And here’s the description of the podcast. It said, what if the scandalous is spiritual, deviant is divine and bad is beautiful? Welcome to called be bad, a podcast where guests reveal a bad topic they are passionate about. Anyway, it’s a good podcast. But I especially wanted to share, just kind of mention a few of their recent podcasts that I found really arresting and powerful. One of them was this goes back. It was back in May the Ty the episode was anti semitism and Christian theology. The guest was Amy Jill Levine. I actually I should say that’s season three, Episode 19 of their that podcast, Amy Joe Levine. I’ve been a fan of her scholarship for many years. Fascinating person because she is a scholar. Well, one, she is a Jewish person. My understanding from some other things I’ve read about her is that she is a Jewish atheist who prays at an orthodox synagogue that, to me, is fascinating for a lot of reasons, but also she is a scholar of the New Testament, the Christian New Testament, and so I Amy Jill Levine scholarship has been incredibly helpful, I think, for a lot, and I think she really is a good bridge between the worlds of Judaism and progressive Christianity. And one of her main works is helping progressive Christians to understand some of the anti semitic, unintentional but anti semitic implications of some kinds of Christian theology. So this was a great episode. A J Levine is just fascinating, interesting person. It was interesting, I could say I was. I found it a little bit interesting at times that AJ was not. Was finding the framing of this podcast, the call to be bad podcast, a little bit strange, I think would be the word I would say. But yet, the ideas here, I think she, she got it, and I liked this episode a lot. There’s also, though, a lot of good episodes from the call be bad, bad podcasts on the subjects of sexual orientation and identity. A lot of good episodes. The most recent one, which was season four. Episode Four, from back in July, was called Conversion therapy, and it hope. And the guest was Lucas Wilson, and I’ll just read you a little more about about this episode. It’s Lucas Wilson. Is the author of the books shame, sex, attraction, survivors, stories of conversion therapy. It wasn’t an easy Listen, but it’s an important list listen, because in many communities, including here in Oklahoma, conversion therapy, a widely distributed pseudo scientific practice of trying to turn gay people straight through abusive means. It really is truly abusive. And Lucas Wilson gave a really good picture of why it’s so troubling and why anywhere that conversion therapy is happening, it needs to push back against it should, frankly, be outlawed because it is truly harmful. Anyway, I strongly recommend the call to be bad podcast. So that’s that’s all for this week of the podcast Roundup. I got some more things planned for next week, so stay tuned next week
for our next segment, I’ll be sharing some practical ideas that any. One can do to help to support the cause of peace in Israel, Palestine. And today, I’m going for the easy stuff. These are things that anyone can do. You don’t have to leave your home to do most of these things. But I’m starting there. We’ll be sharing other ideas over times of other ways to get involved to in this struggle. But I want to share a few ideas now that are some low hanging fruit, you might say. So the first thing that anyone, well, in this case, specifically North American Jews, can do, and that is to sign teruahs petition. And the petition, it is called, says, add your name, and North American Jews call for end to atrocities in Gaza. And I’m just going to read, I’m going to read the call for the petition, because it’s really important.
“For the sake of Zion, I shall not be silent.” Isaiah 62:1
We are North American Jews, calling on our own governments and the broader international community to do everything possible to bring about an immediate end to the war in Gaza. The ground incursion into Gaza City has brought even more death and destruction of Palestinians and threatens the lives of the hostages Prime Minister Netanyahu, declaration that Israel will be like Sparta always at war presages untold suffering for both Palestinians and Israelis. Every day that this war continues brings more and more death and suffering, whether by starvation, lack of medical care, bullets or bombing, enough, the October 7 attack, including the murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of Israelis, was an unjustifiable atrocity. But even high level Israeli security personnel past and present have warned that this war long ago, stopped having the aim of protecting Israelis or rescuing the hostages. Right Wing ministers are advocating for ethnic cleansing and settlement. Enough already, the IDF has announced plans to force hundreds of 1000s of Gazans into camps in Rafah, a certain disaster that will only result in more deaths. Gaza is burning. Defense Minister Israel cops announced just after the Gaza City invasion, the same far right messianic forces behind plans to annex and resettle Gaza are also fermenting terror in the West Bank, with settlers regularly attacking and driving out Palestinians from their homes with impunity enough, there is no military solution to this conflict. There is no solution to this conflict that depends on one group subjugating the other through violence and control. The only future for Israelis and Palestinians is a shared future. We call on all parties to resume cease fire negotiations and for our own governments and other international actors to put maximum pressure on Israel and Hamas to reach a cease fire and end the war in solidarity. So if you are a North American Jew, I strongly encourage you to sign this petition. You can find it on true as website trua.org, that’s t, r, u, a, h.org, or you can find it on the show notes for this episode on humanistic torah.org, look for episode three. But again, please sign this petition. It’s critically important. Secondly, what else can you do?
Well, in many parts of the world, it still is theoretically legal to contact our elected representatives. Again, it’s not possible for everyone in every part of the world, but for those who can, including in the US, we do have the ability to use our voices to lobby our elected officials, and we need to do so if you’re in the US and you want to speak to your members of the youth of the US Congress and just a civics reminder, every person in the US is represented by two US senators, two for every state, and then one US representative who represents a specific district in a state or for very small states, the entire state. So there’s three people we need to be sending letters to. The good news is it’s easy to reach out to them. Just go to the website, congress.gov, and then on the right hand side of the page, it says, contact your member. You plug in your address, and then it will give you links to where you can send either emails or the ability to make a phone call to your your US congressional representative, or one of your one or both of your states, US senators. And we need to be speaking up. And again, I admit, in Oklahoma and places like this, it feels like an exercise in futility. You don’t even want to know How atrocious the letters I get back from my members of Congress are. And by the way, Representative Stephanie Bice, come on, that last one was lame.
I’ll just say it like that. But nevertheless, we got to let keep we have to keep letting them know how we feel. The tide can turn if enough pressure is lobbed. And so we need to keep calling and writing our members of Congress. Also in many states, there have been efforts to try to also to you. Um, do things like outlawing, boycotting and things like that. And so sometimes it can also make sense to contact even your state level legislators over these issues. But right now, especially, call Congress. Call your call your US senators, we do have a voice, and we need to use it. A third idea that anybody can do is to write a letter to the editor. And by the way, I’m going to be giving some practical instructions on how to write a good letter to the editor that will that’s likely to get published in a future episode. But for now, I’ll just say if you can write a short letter, 150 words or so on point, quite a few newspapers around the country will publish it because they really those little secret newspapers do not get near as many letters to the editor as you think. And if you regularly send letters to the editor to newspapers, you’re going to get some published. And that is, frankly, that’s, that’s, that’s huge letters the editor tend to get read more than a lot of other piece parts of the paper. And so writing letters the editor, opinion pieces of all kinds can make a big difference. And frankly, I know we’re all we all want to vent on social media, but the reality of it is, getting it into an actual newspaper where our elected officials can read it, while those in power can read it, can make a big difference. So write those letters to the editor. I’ll be sharing some more ideas in future episodes, but these are a few to get us started. And again, we can’t let our our frustration with the current challenging challenges of this situation, keep us from taking action, even if it’s a little we got to do something. So please sign the true petition. Write your elected representatives and consider sending a letter to the editor of your local newspaper.
Finally, for our d’var Torah, for this week, we’ll be taking a quick look at a portion of Deuteronomy 31 a traditional text that’s often studied and read as part of the Shabbat teshuva, the Shabbat that happens during in the middle of the High Holidays. Now read a portion of it, and I also want to read a little bit of Tao Te Ching chapter 78 because both of these texts, I think, has some interesting things for us. So first of all, let’s look at Deuteronomy 31 and I’m going to start in verse nine. Right before this, you have Moses given kind of a summation teaching, this final exhortation of the people to be faithful to the covenant. So then it says in verse nine, Moses wrote down this teaching and gave it to the priest sons of Levi who carried the Ark of yod Hey Bob His covenant, and to all the elders of Israel. And Moses instructed them as follows every seventh year, by the way, before I go on seventh year, that’s a reference to the Shemitah year. I believe the year set for remission at the Feast of Booths, also known as Sukkot, when all Israel comes to appear before your God. Yod, hey, Vav, Hey, in the place that God will choose, you shall read this teaching aloud in the presence of all Israel, gather the people, men, women, children and the strangers in your community that they may hear and so learn to revere your God. Yod, hey. Vav, Hey, and to observe faithfully every word of this teaching dear children, too, who have not had the experience shall hear and learn to revere your God. Yod, hey. Vav, Hey, as long as they live in the land that you are about to cross the Jordan to possess. Now, I want to share a few observations about this little text. First of all, we are seeing a little more about the supremacy of Sukkot, the Feast of boots. It was the most important holiday in ancient Israel. And so we’re seeing a bit of why. And that is every year, every shmitza year, every seven years, there was to be this re reading of the covenant, and it specifically mentions all the people that are to be there, the men, the women, the children and the strangers in your community. And actually there is a little I was looking at the note here. Okay, anyway, so the men, women and the strangers in your communities, and by the way, for the word strangers, the word for stranger here is ger in Hebrew. And so again, it’s this reference to it’s reminding us that at this moment in time, even here, right before they are to enter into the promised land. They are still a mixed multitude. So anytime you hear someone telling you that, oh, you’re not Jewish enough. Oh, your your mother wasn’t Jewish, you’re not really Jewish, any of that crap, tell them to read Deuteronomy 31 remind them that the strength, the gear in the communities, community members, people who are present, who are there. They are included in this covenant. They are part of the people. And I’m sorry that for those who believe in exclusion, in Judaism, that’s your own business, but it’s not faithful to the tradition. Our oldest text here. Is making it very clear the gear are included. I also, though want to mention that I think it’s significant that that tying shmitah and covenant and the inclusive Welcome at all of all is very key shmitah, fundamentally, it is, at its most basic level, is about justice. It’s about, you know, this idea of the seventh year, the forgiveness, forgiveness of debts, the landline fallow. It rests on an economy that’s in an economic and social governmental the whole shebang, this structure, it has to be organized quite differently to accommodate a practice like this. And so reminding us that Shemitah, this seven year cycle, is really, really important. It’s at the heart of what it is to be Jewish, and that we are called to this kind of radical living. Okay, so that’s the Deuteronomy text. I now want to jump over to Tao Te Ching, chapter 78 and of course, when you read the Tao Te Ching in translation, we have the same problem that we have with reading Hebrew in translation, and that is both ancient Chinese and biblical. Hebrew are languages that have often limited vocabulary, and the words mean. Individual words mean a lot more than they do in more modern languages. In other words, there’s a lot more embedded in the words there. They have a have a whole shade of meanings. And so I say all this to say that no translation is perfect. I picked one that I think is okay because I don’t know Chinese. I can’t say anything about the accuracy of it, but I think the ideas here are pretty vivid. So by the way, I’m reading this. This translation is from taoistic.com D, T, A, O, i, s, t, I, c.com, and so this is for chapter 78 let me read this. Nothing in the world is softer and weaker than water. Yet to attack the hard and strong, nothing surpasses it. Nothing can take its place. The weak overcomes the strong. The soft overcomes the hard. Everybody in the world knows this. Still nobody makes use of it. Therefore, the sage says, to bear the country’s disgrace is to rule the shrines of soil and grain. To bear the country’s misfortunes is to be the king of the world. True words seem false. Now, what really jumped out at me about this text was this opening about the power and also seeming fragility of water, and it really resonates for me one of my resolutions for Rosh Hashanah this year. And I I kind of take a more literal approach to Rosh Hashanah, since it is a new year of sorts, I use it as an excuse to set resolutions and so and so, one of my resolutions for this year is this, I will resist fascism like Water. Water wearing down stone, always fluid, moving, always flowing. It’s rooted in this idea, to me, in the Tao Te Ching, and that is that water, again, wears down mountains. Water made the Grand Canyon. Water has tremendous power, and yet you also drink water. We also kids splashing in water. Bottles water. We can enter into it. It’s also destructive, it’s also powerful. It’s so many things. Water, to me, is a powerful metaphor of what is possible. And I like this idea of thinking about our lives with that same kind of intention, that same kind of energy, and that maybe there is power that comes not from trying to strike injustice with a hammer, which is, you know, what we often want to do, but it doesn’t do any good. We wear things down with water, metaphorically speaking. And so for me, when I think about these two texts together, the Deuteronomy text is calling us to a more to embrace the power of radical community, to embrace the power of Shemitah economics, to embrace the power that comes from building societies and structures and communities that allow the space for practices like shmitah to happen. And by doing so, we also allow for water to do its good work. In other words, the more we align our lives in the communal sense, with shinita values, it makes it also more possible for a sense of space and ability to flow like water, to confront the powers and injustices of this world, but to do it smartly, to be ready to wear down those injustices and to come out on the other side. So that’s the dalage here. That’s my DEVAR Torah on both Deuteronomy and the Tao Te Ching for today. And thank you again for listening to the humanistic Torah podcast and radio show. Would love to hear your comment. Send them to me at hello at humanistic torah.org and look for us in social media. And of course, if you see us any of your favorite podcasting platforms, please give us that five star rating to help us get the word out there. Thank you, and I will see you next week. Shalom. You. Oh.
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